Comments on Raider Take: The End of The Beginning

Just try to imagine that botched fake field goal i...

2008-12-04T17:09:00.000-08:00

Just try to imagine that botched fake field goal in 3-D, with Jano bending over in your face to grab the errant pigskin, and the Chiefs defender scooping it up and running you over on his way to an infamous touchdown. No thanks.

Raidermike,hey, if they use that play you suggeste...

2008-12-04T15:44:00.000-08:00

Raidermike,

hey, if they use that play you suggested and it works, tom cable will be a hero....lol

Calico,

that was a great list of potential HC candidates available you laid out.

trouble is, we can cross most every name off the list.

cowher, spanuola, schwartz, carroll, shotthiemer, and rex ryan, are all from the defensive side of the ball.

we don't hire defensive guys as our HC, remember ?
we would rather hire a run of the mill, o-line coach than a defensive mastermind.
yes, we are that pathetic.

i understand your premise of hiring a Gm first.
but any Gm al hires will only have to have one qualification.

can al easily slip his hand underneath the backside of the mans suit jacket, and move him every which way ?

al's freak puppet show will live on i'm afraid.
our days of glory slipping further into the past.

Is anyone watching tonight's game in 3-D? That wo...

2008-12-04T14:27:00.000-08:00

Is anyone watching tonight's game in 3-D? That would be cool.

Will bad coaching by the Chargers cancel out bad coaching by the Raiders? We'll see.

Go Raiders!

Panty... two things...1. I hope you are right abo...

2008-12-04T11:56:00.000-08:00

Panty... two things...

1. I hope you are right about McF being a once in a decade player, but to be honest, I don't see it. I don't see the quick burst and vision that I saw with Adrian Peterson in his rookie year... and I don't see the power that I saw in a player like Bo Jackson, nor do I see the top end speed like, well, Bo Jackson again.

I think McF will be a top 10 RB once he becomes the Raiders every down back (which might not happen because of Fargas for some odd reason, which is a different topic) but I don't see him being an LT, or AP that carries a franchise.

2. Gallery is one of the better guards in the league, and with an actual RT could become as dominating duo as Shell/Upshaw. Would bringing back a Shell/Upshaw be worth two top ranked draft picks?

I'd do it in a heart beat.

Gary....Makes sense and as I said I did not get to...

2008-12-04T08:29:00.000-08:00

Gary....

Makes sense and as I said I did not get to see much of the games...Mostly just the Hight-Lights and that does not show anything....

As for the timing for taking a player like "McFab" who comes along once a decade....He was the very best player available at the #5 pick...Had we passed on the opertunity so as to address a deeper need on the "DL" it would most likely have cost us in the long-run....

Now we have a core to build around and if we can add to the "DL"-n-"OL" this year we will be looking very good...The other major speciality position is at "WR"...I have no idea what the draft will look like yet but at the #5-6 position I would look at the best "WR" or "DL" position depending upon who is higher rated...Either position will help us....

I'm very "Gun-Shy" about drafting for the "OL" in the 1st rd....We have not done very well here....

Mo Collins as the second pick in the 1st rd "98" was good but the rest were waisted picks....

Matt Stinchcomb "99"
Robert Gallery "04"

We have to go all the way back to Don Mosebar "83" to find another "OL" 1st rd pick so I don't think we go that rout unless it's really a can't-miss pick or the best players at the other positions are already off the board...

It's a shame that with 4 games left the only positive we can look forward to is the "09" draft and what our position will be....

PantyRaider....Hopeless!!!/_

Panty, long term you might be right in that McF mi...

2008-12-04T07:57:00.000-08:00

Panty, long term you might be right in that McF might help the team more than Dorsey, but we needed to win NOW. If you watched the games we lost after having leads, it was pretty obvious the defense simply ran out of gas. This was especially devastating because SOB relies almost entirely on the front four to win games when we have leads instead of blitzing, and they just couldn't do it. And how could they? We at one time had THREE DT's on our roster. McF really only was instrumental in one game this year, the KC game, and the way we were running over them, I think we still could have eaked out a win against them without him.

Another starter in SOB's front-four reliant defense would have been HUGE even if he got NO tackles or sacks... simply because we could have rotated better players in and kept everyone fresh late in the game... where we lost three games. That is not something even debatable... we blew three games with leads because the defense couldn't make any stops late in the game. NOT DEBATABLE.

Like I said, McF may turn out to be the better long-term fix once we get a better line, but after five years of losing, why would you think in those terms with your top five pick?

RaiderNate75....My "Wish-List" was half sarcasm an...

2008-12-04T07:50:00.000-08:00

RaiderNate75....

My "Wish-List" was half sarcasm and half reality....

All those guys can play and if the price is right would be an up-grade to the team...But as for "Chemistry"....Well, it can't get nuch worse anyway so....

"Why the Hell Not"....

PantyRaider....HomeBound!!!!/_

RT, thanks for the offer on the tickets, but I thi...

2008-12-04T07:37:00.000-08:00

RT, thanks for the offer on the tickets, but I think I will pass this time; due to a few unforseen events that are changing my holidays. It's nothing bad, just a change of plans.

Also, I still think Russell will be a good QB, and the younger QB's you compared him too have a difference, consistency in what is being coached. Kiffin and Cable have been throwing different schemes, plays, and situations at him all year. Cable is trying to be creative with his play calling, but it is truly hurting the team. Creativity is not what we need when we consistently lack execution. That is my problem with Cable.

Panty,
I hope you make it out and back here safely. I wouldn't mind having Plexiglass Burress on our team, as long as we have a solid #2 WR. I disagree with signing Vick, I think even if he gets out of jail next year, the Commish gives him a lifetime ban.
Outside of a new owner, a GM, and a solid Head Coach; here is my priority list:
#1-Sign Asomugah to a long-term deal (I think Chris Johnson is a good balance to Nnamdi).
#2-Left Tackle
#3-Right Tackle
#4-Wide Reciever (This is where Plexiglass and/or TJ Houshmandzadeh would be nice)
#5-Nose Tackle
#6-A Veteran Center (Matt Birk fits nicely here because the Center needs to be the Captain of the O-line).
#7-Weak-side Linebacker

I changed my mind. Cornell Green is to obvious. Le...

2008-12-04T07:27:00.000-08:00

I changed my mind. Cornell Green is to obvious. Let's line up Terdell Sands instead! Yeah that's the ticket. Can't miss.

RaiderMike

Well it's nice to see we all can keep a sense of h...

2008-12-04T07:16:00.000-08:00

Well it's nice to see we all can keep a sense of humor in this discusting situation...

A "V" means we select a little lower in the draft...Maybe as low as #10....A loss means we may select a little higher than #6...Posibly at #5 or higher if KC SL or Seattle can win a game before the end of the season...As I see it either way we loose....Refreshing NO.....

PantyRaider....Count-Down....Over Yet!!!/_

Raiders 0-10 in last 10 games against the Chargers...

2008-12-04T06:27:00.000-08:00

Raiders 0-10 in last 10 games against the Chargers. Why do I have a bad feeling about this one? I can envision the game stats:

Janikowski 22 carries for -8 yards.
McFadden 6 carries for 52 yards 1 TD.

Russell 10-32 for 102 yards but no INTs.

Third down efficiency 1-12

If we lose, it's just a continuation of Chargers dominance over the Raiders. If we win, it's just a 3-9 team beating a 4-8 team. That's not much to get excited about.

Hey coach I got a great play for tonight. When the...

2008-12-04T04:31:00.000-08:00

Hey coach I got a great play for tonight. When the game is tied in say the 3rd quarter have Lechler line up to punt but have him throw a bomb to a "streaking" Cornell Green who will have lined up as an elligble receiver! How could it possibly fail? What do you guys think? Is that Gold or what? Hopefully Cable reads this.

RaiderMike

CalicoJack....The only sense I can make out of the...

2008-12-04T01:46:00.000-08:00

CalicoJack....

The only sense I can make out of the poor use of "McFab"-n-M.Bush is the posibility that all is lost so we conserve our young tallent for next season....Fear of getting them injured....Makes very little sense but that's the only posible reasoning for such stupid decissions....

PantyRaider....Confusing at Best!!!/_

Early Wish-List...Usually I don't post it until th...

2008-12-04T01:30:00.000-08:00

Early Wish-List...

Usually I don't post it until the begaining of "FA" but in view of our total "Melt-Down" I figure now is as good as any....

"WR"-w- a "SB" Ring....

Plexico "Baby"...BlurAss...

Why the hell not...A good "WR" with a total Out-ta-Lunch attitude in the middle of a play-off hunt with a team who won it all last year on his miraculas catch....Should be out of jail by than and released by the "Midgets"...We now have a #1 "WR" to add to a very good Specialist-Core on the "O"....

"Slash" Superstar...."QB-WR-RB" -w- a "Get-out-da-Jail" (I'm Free) Card....

Micheal "Dog-Man" Vick -w- da Dawgs...

We now have our back-up "QB" who can play several positions in our "O" back-field...Can you just imagine all the Failure "Trick-Plays" we will be ShowCassing in "09"...The perfect attitude to fit into an already totally "Dis-Funk-Tunnel" Oganization...

"DT" Twins -w- Suspensions....

Kevin-n-Pat "Steroid" Williams....

We now have addressed the interior of our pourous "DL"....We could add to the mix a "DE" from "NO"...Take your pick...

"DE"...Charles Grant and Will Smith..."Sus-Pen-Did-An-Ni-Ma-Tion"...

Give-em-Hell "MrD"....Their price should be lower but we can find a way to over-pay da bastards to come in and under-acheive for us....

GOOOOoooooRaiderrrrssss!!!!..."09"...

PantyRaider....Insanity!!!!/_

News Flash!!!!!! Faidas lose big to CHARGERS ! "L ...

2008-12-03T23:51:00.000-08:00

News Flash!!!!!! Faidas lose big to CHARGERS ! "L T" HAS BIGGEST GAME YET AT FAIDAS EXPENSE! big al (R.) davis fires "cable guy" and makes "freddie boom boom cannon baaaalitnitwikoff" interem, interem head coach. 3-13 just binge baby, defund the "nation"....

CJ, no problem, Panty and Blanda ( throw in Gary t...

2008-12-03T22:12:00.000-08:00

CJ, no problem, Panty and Blanda ( throw in Gary too)are the only 2+1, but if they want to continue, I have no problem with that either. So I (JONES) bury the hatchet, can they do the same?

RT...I'm returning the 10th if the airport stays o...

2008-12-03T21:49:00.000-08:00

RT...

I'm returning the 10th if the airport stays open and would like to have a ticket for our last loosing home game....Will let you know for sure next week if you still have the tickets....So why do I want to punish myself this way...Good question...

Thanks for the support from posters on this site...I love this place dispite what our team is doing on the field or front office...I think at this point we are all a little down and have a hard time seeing any positives...

As for "JONES" he should change his handle to "Roger DangerField"..."I Get No Respect"..."Mr Negativity" strikes again..."Tooo-Chey"....Whoops!!!....Stuck himself in his own ass....As I go off laughin Again-n-Again....

RaidedNate75

NYRaider corected me and I made an adjustment to my post...Sorry...I got my "Longs" mixed-up...Looking at his rookey season he could have helped our "D" but we had no chance to take him anyway...
Chris Long 35-tkls 28-solo 7-assist 4-sks 1-fum...

Gary...

Unfortunately I have not been able to watch much of this season so I have no idea if the bad "D" against the run was due to an exausted "DL"...Lack of Depth...But I can look at the #s and compair what Dorsey has done for "KC"...

KC has the 32nd "D" which is below the Raiders #25 "D"...

KC is 31st against the rush compaired to the Raiders being #29...

KC is 32nd in sacks compaired to the Raiders tied at #10...

Those are the stats that I think directly reflect upon the "DL"...So I don't see how Dorsey would have made much differance for our team had we taken him....I certainly don't see any evidace of a 6-7 record...

Glenn Dorsey 32-tkls 25-solo 7-assist 1-sack 1-fumble

But without "McFab" we may not have won the first game against KC...So now "Minus" off all that "McFab" has done and show what Dorsey has done to off-set the scores in 3-4 games this year....His production is below the players we now have on the "DL"...

Kalimba Edwards
44-tkls 37-solo 7-assist 5-sack 1-fumble

Jay Richardson
40-tkls 31-solo 9-assist 2-sacks 0-fumbles

Tommy Kelly
44-tkls 24-solo 20-assist 4-sks 0-fum

Gerard Warren
27-tkls 21-solo 6-assist 4-sks 1-fum

PantyRaider...Difficult Challenge!!!/_

I believe the Texans game will be the crowning glo...

2008-12-03T20:38:00.000-08:00

I believe the Texans game will be the crowning glory for our 08 season. We have yet to beat this team...Ever! and will be a longshot to win....I expect the show will be all that its billed to be....My last home game for the forseeable future...I will go and I will have fun with friends and family for this is a mark....a low mark as a fan....Oh well if Mr Weekend at Bernies cares not..............Nor do I!

RT, I'd PERSONALLY return those tickets to that EM...

2008-12-03T20:09:00.000-08:00

RT, I'd PERSONALLY return those tickets to that EMBESILE AL DAVIS. And tell him to stick them up his ASS!!!

signed,
ONE STEP AWAY FROM BECOMING XR8RFAN

Jones: I appreciate the fact that you are a regula...

2008-12-03T19:26:00.000-08:00

Jones:

I appreciate the fact that you are a regular visitor to RT, have football based opinions, and finally sign your name on the dotted line.

However, I don't appreciate your harsh words for PantyRaider. PantyRaider is a humorous, fun loving, diehard Raider fan. Although I don't agree with his viewpoints, I never question whether his heart is in the right place. Any guy who is dedicated enough to follow the Raiders while in Thailand is ok in my book. Enough of the petty, childish namecalling. I for one would respect you more if you toned down your negativity towards other RT visitors.

Moshbucket:

I disagree 100% with your assessment of the fake field goal. The fake field goal trick play was ridiculously flawed from a design standpoint.

* If the play was executed perfectly, SeaBass would be lucky to run 10 yards before being tackled. 7 of those 10 yards would be a net gain of 3 yards. To go 17 yards with his footspeed is a complete joke.

* The down, distance, clock, score, and field position are the key factors. The game is 3 to 3 in the 2nd quarter. A 42 yard FG gives us the lead plus positive momentum. 4 and 10 where a slow ass kicker has to run 17 yards has ZERO chance to succeed.

I agree that Davis is not losing on purpose. I don't doubt for a second that in his own twisted, delusional mind that he thinks he is doing everything he can to put the Raiders in a position to succeed. The problem I have with Davis is that he is too stubborn and distrustful to realize he needs help from a footabll operational and personnel evaluation standpoint. This is a major blindspot which could be easily remedied by hiring an executive GM to shoulder the load.

Gary: You are exactly right about Clady who would have been a PERFECT fit for the ZBS. I still think McF has a very high ceiling. I would love to see McF get 20+ touches a game for the remaining 4 games.

>>>>What about him excites you over "McFab" this y...

2008-12-03T16:42:00.000-08:00

>>>>
What about him excites you over "McFab" this year and what could he have done to improve our "D" this season????....
>>>>

Considering Al never trades down (a move down and then drafting Clady would have been our best 20/20 hindsite pick, IMO) I was very very very much for Al to take Dorsey.

We lost how many games this year because our defense was gassed because we have no DEPTH on our D-line???

I don't think its a stretch to say at least two, and maybe even three.

That would be kinda nice right now... 6-7 and one game out of first?

Sounds like we could use a little humor here. Fro...

2008-12-03T14:34:00.000-08:00

Sounds like we could use a little humor here.

From yesterday's WSJ "Best of the Web":

• "Kiffin Introduced as UT Coach; Will Make $2 Million in 2009"--headline, Knoxville (Tenn.) News-Sentinel, Dec. 1

• "University of Tennessee buildings will be colder this winter and warmer next spring as UT aims to cut its annual energy bill by $2 million."--Knoxville News-Sentinel, Dec. 2

Raider Nate, you might rather have your eyes washe...

2008-12-03T13:48:00.000-08:00

Raider Nate, you might rather have your eyes washed out with Clorox, but in case you're still considering watching the Texans game in person, I've got a pair of tickets that I'm willing to give up at a nice price. No pressure, just FYI.

Panty said, "Would Vernon Gholston or Jake Long va...

2008-12-03T13:09:00.000-08:00

Panty said, "Would Vernon Gholston or Jake Long vastly improve our pass-rush this year...."

I, again, would like to correct the thought that Jake Long is on the defensive line. He is an Offensive Tackle (on the left-side), so no he would not improve our pass rush. Jake Long would have vastly improved our offensive line, and again, I say I would rather have him than McFadden if we had the choice. But since the Dolphins grabbed him with the first pick; we took the best player at the spot; so no complaints here.

But we can debate whether our pass rush needs help, or we just need to package some blitzes together more consistently on 3rd downs?

Now I will argue that McFadden hasn't faired much better than the others Panty listed (Gholston, Dorsey, and Ellis).

Panty is a hall of famer, lol. Did he get in for w...

2008-12-03T12:00:00.000-08:00

Panty is a hall of famer, lol. Did he get in for writing in a ridiculous style? Couldn't be from the substance of his posts, everything he says is wrong. Same with Blanda and his fairytale take on the Raiders. I used to post under anon , this was before calling out Al Davis was the norm.

I was raked on the coals by these 2 for calling out their fairytale, they called me all sorts of names. I started to post my name at the bottom so they couldn't accuse me of being a troll.

So now the shoe is on the other foot, their B.S was proven as B.S. So...if they couldn't see it coming when I was seeing it for years, who has the credibilty? Not them, they have shown their opinions are WAY OFF. Who will take their take as anything more than babble?

Jones