tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post7116010210817085399..comments2008-01-27T22:26:48.191-08:00Raider Takehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16299337328980303772noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-28487652728639146672008-01-27T22:26:00.000-08:002008-01-27T22:26:00.000-08:00If Kiffin leaves, I'm out until Al gets the fuck out of the way.<BR/><BR/>I will not throw any more $ towards season tickets or even single game tickets. I <BR/>won't even watch them on tv.<BR/><BR/>I'll actually root for another 3 year AFC West losing streak just to see Al lose his mind completely. Fucking stupid mother fucker!<BR/><BR/>Even with the 4-12 '07 run I felt like we were finally turning it around.<BR/><BR/>Fuck Al! Can't wait to see the last 10,000 diehards showing up to watch our S&B get smoked week in and week out.<BR/><BR/>Thank God JaMarcus got his $32 million garanteed, smart agent.<BR/>So fucking pathetic. I'll be rooting for Kiff wherever he lands.<BR/><BR/>FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!<BR/><BR/>IanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-44262451719283709762008-01-27T12:41:00.000-08:002008-01-27T12:41:00.000-08:00So I've been thinking about the "Why?” The report like someone said was given on a Friday. Was this on purpose to let the media take it and run with it during the weekend? <BR/><BR/>What if this entire allegation was on purpose? Part of the Al's unique outlook on the game of football. What if he is thinking on a different level than what seems to be apparent? We all know that this man is unique and developed the "Raider Way" when it comes to football. <BR/><BR/>Thus, maybe the Raider organization did this to see what Al could get for Kiffin? Or to see how much the fans like Kiffin. Or, yet, another reason non-apparent to anyone right now.<BR/><BR/>And look at all the coincidences. The weekend this story comes out is the weekend the Raiders coach the senior bowl. Maybe it was just a publicity stunt by the NFL network or ESPN. Also Kiffin was not wearing any apparel at the senior bowl. Along with Lofton and Saunders coming next week. Could the "unidentified sources” conspire this story for a particular reason, other than the explicit reasoning of Kiffin losing his job. <BR/><BR/>Who knows, the Raiders always do something different. Heck maybe ESPN did it just to run something instead of the same old January topic of the Super Bowl.<BR/><BR/>Al probably hates Patriots, maybe he did it just to grab some of the spotlight from them and direct the audience towards himself and the Raider organization. <BR/><BR/>With this said, I hope I'm not being over optimistic by trying to think outside the box. I just hope that out of all thousands of other reasons, Al didn't do this with the purpose of actually firing Kiffin. Everyone knows that the potential this kid has, and the possible greatness with the Raider Nation.Raider_Fan_Hopefullnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-36025280734986116922008-01-27T12:08:00.000-08:002008-01-27T12:08:00.000-08:00If this Saunders story is true, then I think the writing's on the wall.<BR/><BR/>It was nice knowing you Kiff.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you can take over an AFC West team and own the Raiders for the next decade or two.xhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11748611867450589648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-50451314956915014252008-01-27T11:15:00.000-08:002008-01-27T11:15:00.000-08:00Memdf: Colonel Sanders ... finger lickin' good! This mess has been an awakening for me. It has been a kick in the butt and the teeth. It makes me think twice about my level of committment.Calico Jackhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14711800862815970836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-67868806547348552352008-01-27T11:09:00.000-08:002008-01-27T11:09:00.000-08:00its still not to late to make your voice heard people!!!!! get on the phone. for you locals, get to alameda and voice your strong objections and anger! <BR/><BR/>tell al or his cronies we've had ENOUGH of this CRAP!!!!!<BR/><BR/>let's do it!!!!!scorpionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-13660962414201561932008-01-27T11:04:00.000-08:002008-01-27T11:04:00.000-08:00from steve corkran cc times:<BR/>" In other news, the Raiders requested permission from the Washington Redskins to interview offensive coordinator Al Saunders. That became a moot point when the Redskins fired Saunders on Saturday.<BR/><BR/>It remains unclear whether Saunders will be receptive to Oakland's overture. However, he has interviewed with Davis in the past."<BR/><BR/>let's see.... lofton comes in monday, interviewing another coach? if this isn't looking for another head coach i don't know what is!scorpionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-648841032906443862008-01-27T10:50:00.000-08:002008-01-27T10:50:00.000-08:00I am bordering on despondent. Let's not fool ourselves. We know the direction this thing is going.<BR/>The Steve Corkran story does it for me. <BR/><BR/>I asked myself the same question when I first heard chucky was going. That question was, "Why?" I now know the answer. Maybe this buy-out can include 4 more draft choices to waste like the chucky deal.<BR/><BR/>It is one thing to be proud but another to be ruthlessly destructive. This pyrrhic victory is the only win the old man will be getting for a long time.<BR/>This is pathetic.<BR/><BR/>Does he not see what he is doing? Doesn't anyone else in "the building" have the balls to tell him this is a mistake? <BR/><BR/>This kid busted his ass for a team filled with underachieving losers hand picked by you know who. This is a shame for Kiffin and a kick in the teeth, after just starting to stumble up off the ground, for a blindly loyal Nation. <BR/> <BR/>Loyal no more here my friends. <BR/>It has been 40 years and I have never dared to contact the team. Tomorrow I will make my first call. <BR/><BR/>I will also no longer plan my life and vacations around attending road games and my annual trip to Oakland is off. (sorry RT) <BR/><BR/>Someone else posted that Kiffin will leave and go to another team and beat the old man everytime. I will take that bet because AD's luck has run out. <BR/><BR/>You know Lofton comes in and gets the job as, whatever, because he was an ex-player. But his previous ties to the team give him the best chance of "understanding the organization" see:yes man. <BR/><BR/>I remember the last time AD flirted with saunders. Things seemed serious for a few days but then I am sure the control thing came up and sauuders fled to the chefs I believe? <BR/><BR/>I would be very excited to get an nfl retread with a proven losing record to be part of the coaching staff - wouldn't you! <BR/>Might as well be Col. Sanders.<BR/><BR/>The best case scenario would be SOB as HC. At that point I would take all my Raider stuff down and put it in storage.<BR/><BR/>It's been great here with you guys but after defending this mess for so long I just can't do it anymore.memdfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-14101318290849231732008-01-27T09:48:00.000-08:002008-01-27T09:48:00.000-08:00Well... if Kiffin is gone, I guess we just as well draft McFadden and hope he is the new Bo. It doesn't take much coaching to hand the ball off to an elite RB... especially if we lose Cable and Knapp.<BR/><BR/>What an unmitigated mess.Garynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-77473651533930340152008-01-27T06:06:00.000-08:002008-01-27T06:06:00.000-08:00Steve Corkran reports:<BR/><BR/><I>"An NFL Network reporter said Davis and Kiffin's representatives are working on a settlement that would free Kiffin from a contract that runs through the 2009 season. One person in the Raiders front office said that's a possibility but far from an imminent solution. <BR/><BR/>In other news, the Raiders requested permission from the Washington Redskins to interview offensive coordinator Al Saunders. That became a moot point when the Redskins fired Saunders on Saturday."</I><BR/><BR/>I guess Al Davis will show Lane Kiffin and all of the Raider Nation who's boss, and possibly destroy his life's work in the progress.<BR/><BR/>How many more chances at success does the 80-year-old man think he has? Apparently, he is immortal.<BR/><BR/>Why would anybody work for this man for ANY other reason than money. And that, my friends, is the "greatness of the Raiders."nyraiderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13843329560542176465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-86321361376524710332008-01-27T00:06:00.000-08:002008-01-27T00:06:00.000-08:00OK. So here's scenario #5.<BR/><BR/>Al is trying to get Kiff to step down to O-cooordinator or something OTHER than HC, so he can make SOB HC???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-59931501485842328202008-01-26T23:59:00.000-08:002008-01-26T23:59:00.000-08:00Is this statement true?????<BR/><BR/>"Davis is on record as saying he doesn’t believe in team chemistry."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-23516679658265275012008-01-26T22:49:00.000-08:002008-01-26T22:49:00.000-08:00I'm out, g'night. -PsychoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-37367481903628527032008-01-26T22:48:00.000-08:002008-01-26T22:48:00.000-08:00Well said, anon.<BR/><BR/>Here is the latest from J.Jones which he promised today. Not much, but here it is.<BR/><BR/>http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblog<BR/>s/raiders/<BR/><BR/>PsychoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-12278091383294895342008-01-26T21:58:00.000-08:002008-01-26T21:58:00.000-08:00I have been a long time Raider fan but this organization has deteriorated into a laughingstock. We start to make progress and it has to be about Al, not about the increased sold out games, the heightened player morale, or the energetic new coach. If my kid became a drug addict I would love him, support him, and try to get him help but I would not give him money to self-destruct with. In the same way i will not give another penny to the Raiders until I see some evidence of health in the way of a TEAM. Al is in no way appearing to be a TEAM player. No team no money from me. <BR/><BR/>_not a blind follower of anyoneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-60560816599401770272008-01-26T21:39:00.000-08:002008-01-26T21:39:00.000-08:00RT,<BR/>I'm with you buddy. Except I'm a little beyond the "wait and see" thing. I'm still hesitant to jump to conclusions or whatever but recent events have pretty much convinced me that it's true; Kiffin is done as a Raider. Just my opinion. I'd love to wait & see but the outcome is clear IMO. I'm not going to kid myself anymore only to be let down. Complete & utter bullshit....<BR/><BR/>PsychoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-27643578926631840862008-01-26T21:31:00.000-08:002008-01-26T21:31:00.000-08:00The 6:04 post was mine. (Psycho)<BR/><BR/>I was so pissed I forgot my name apparently. All this silence from you the Nation pretty much says it all.<BR/><BR/>Gary,<BR/>I'm with you buddy, and I stand by the sides of everyone 'here'. There is only one thing to do as a group of fans; band together and call for change. Except I disagree that they'll "work something out here". The old man will not back down, no matter what. His gift & his curse...<BR/><BR/>Personally I'm contacting every fan I know to boycott the upcoming season and send a message. If empty seats do not drive the point home, well, I don't know what the hell else we can do except follow through with some of the private responses to my pleas of "change" which I do not want to repeat on the record. And I would never do these things because I have a family to think about, and it's not THAT serious. This is some BS though, I'll admit.<BR/><BR/>I still demand a press conference, but my expectations of it are no longer "high".<BR/><BR/>PsychoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-11801246357056342532008-01-26T21:21:00.000-08:002008-01-26T21:21:00.000-08:00You know, I'm still waiting and seeing...I agree it doesn't look good.<BR/><BR/>I've been questioning a lot of things lately, as you know. Such as: <BR/><BR/>1) I have argued that we should remain concerned about lingering organizational dysfunction that is likely beyond Kiffin's control. <BR/><BR/>2) To those who have suggested that Kiffin has true authority to make key decisions regarding staff and personnel, I have asked for firm evidence of such. <BR/><BR/>3) I have been unwilling to accept the 2007 season as an acceptable measure of progress. <BR/><BR/>4) I have pressed for an end to the growing excuses and wishful thinking that have resulted in lowered standards in some fans regarding what we should expect from the organization, specifically in regard to its executive operations, on-field performance and fan relations. <BR/><BR/>Those of you who frequent these pages know that these are the positions I've taken since the end of the season. <BR/><BR/>But as for this report and all the subsequent reports, I must wait and see, because if they are true, then things are worse than I ever imagined, which would be hard to fathom. I've seen the media exaggerate on many occasions regarding the Raiders, so I can't buy everything they're us feeding just yet. <BR/><BR/>My positions were established before these reports broke. I can assure you that this is not the way I'd like to be proven right.Raider Takehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16299337328980303772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-88648045964360019592008-01-26T20:25:00.000-08:002008-01-26T20:25:00.000-08:00I'm sure RT is either pondering, or drafting the next Take to be posted soon. Probably outlining what a freakin' pathetic state we're in, with seemingly no end in sight pending a major managerial change up front. Here is a haiku you can kick it off with RT;<BR/><BR/>We had found our man<BR/>Complete and utter bullshit<BR/>our only hope.....gone<BR/><BR/>PsychoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-73301021893734978082008-01-26T18:04:00.000-08:002008-01-26T18:04:00.000-08:00Holy freaking crap, see what it has come to?!?!<BR/><BR/>I cannot really disagree with raider00 in my current frame of mind. WTF just happened?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-22802074633035288122008-01-26T17:31:00.000-08:002008-01-26T17:31:00.000-08:00i think herm edwards is as good as gone in kc.<BR/>i'll bet if kiffin is pushed out, he winds up there, and he will beat al's butt til al's dying day.<BR/><BR/>and you know something, i rooted for al against shanahan. i rooted for al against shottenheimer, but right now, i probably would root for kiffin against al.<BR/><BR/>it seems strange to say, but that's just the way i feel right now.<BR/>i hope it never comes to this, but things look bad.raider00noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-72807481845779746112008-01-26T17:13:00.000-08:002008-01-26T17:13:00.000-08:00I repeat my comment:..... i have been an adamant raider fan for 25 years, grew up in bay area, unfortunately, this season (and this off-season already looking) like another massive disappointment; how long can us fans be expected to suffer tumult and mediocracy - to win you need consistency at coaching level, that's just plain fact, and the only consistency we have in recent years is Al's inability to allow consistency with our head coaches (and undercutting them at every turn) - i just don't know how long us fans can hold on, with blind faith, despite mediocracy and endless losing seasons, blithely following the follies of this egotistical, ill, old man.<BR/><BR/>11:26 AMmike88phttp://openid.aol.com/mike88pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-84750897439664367282008-01-26T17:09:00.001-08:002008-01-26T17:09:00.001-08:00Psycho.. I don't think I see anyone trying to polish this turd... I don't think I have ever seen Raider fans unite about anything before... this sucks ass and there is no other way to spin it.<BR/><BR/>That said, I'm not sure that Kiffin is gone... I think they both will be smart enough to work something out here. <BR/><BR/>It's still a PR nightmare, at best.Garynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-33803326926628524402008-01-26T17:09:00.000-08:002008-01-26T17:09:00.000-08:00Raider Nation is speachless.....<BR/><BR/>I don't know what's worse. Watching Shell go 2-14 with a high school playbook, or watch Kiffin go 4-12 only to see our hope get flushed down the toilet. I understand...<BR/><BR/>PsychoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-928002695698013832008-01-26T16:25:00.000-08:002008-01-26T16:25:00.000-08:00Post-game question to Kiffin:<BR/><BR/>Q: "Will you be coaching the Raiders next fall?"<BR/><BR/>A: "I hope so" {already turning to walk away}<BR/><BR/>I hope so?!? That didn't seem too assuring!<BR/><BR/>Whoever want's to keep polishing this turd, be my guest. I'm convinced that Kiff is gone. Best of luck to him, I'm sure he'll do great somewhere else.<BR/><BR/>PsychoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16702745.post-87720442503014924052008-01-26T16:20:00.000-08:002008-01-26T16:20:00.000-08:00Stickum,<BR/><BR/>Silly? Perhaps... But Jerry McDonald agrees:<BR/><BR/>http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/<BR/>2008/01/26/where-lane-and-al-went-<BR/>wrong/<BR/><BR/>PsychoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com